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Creators Hour

2005-11-08T06:10:20Z

DudaKar: /* Creators Hour Mid Round 3 */

== Creators Hour background ==

Creators Hour (Or Creators Question Time as it was orginal known) started in [[round 2]] and became an integral part of [[Planetarion]] culture. Here was your chance to get answers to questions directly from [[Spinner]], [[Vish]], [[Fudge]], [[Zeus]], [[Messiah]] and later on [[Oreo]] and [[PATeam]] as well as a place to put forward any ideas you had directly to the creators. While most of the questions and the responces were fairly unintresting it would throw up some intresting comments, ideas and future plans.

Since [[Jolt]] took over the running of the game these 'Q&A' sessions have become less frequent and the information coming out of them has become less informative.

'Creators Hour' was brought back after Round 14. One of the PA Team members poste dthe IRC log of 'that Creators Hour', but I can't seen to find the durn post. If someone else can, please edit this page to add the link...

== Creators Hour #1 ==

'''Time: '''''Round 2 - Aug 2004'' '''Place: '''''#creators''

Heres a summary of some of the more intresting aspects of the very first creators hour

=== Galaxy Defence Fleet ===

<Messiah> Next question:
<Messiah> What is your status on the GDF? When will the GC have control over it? And how much
<Messiah> control will he actually have?
<Spinner> Yes..The GDF has certainly aroused many people's intrest
<Spinner> We have ot been able to do any work on the GDF yet, as of controloling it
<Spinner> SO an exact date when this is possible, I can not give here
<Spinner> But...
<Spinner> When it is in, it will be possible for the GC to launch it out on missions, attack or
defend, as a regular fleet
<Spinner> Except it would require some kind of "GO" from either planets, or pherhaps some new
minister.....
<Spinner> So it can not be abused for the GC's own egotripping (-:
<Spinner> The launchcost will then be taken out of the Development Fund
<Spinner> If there is not enough Eonium in there...it can not launch
<Messiah> Some people are concerned that it can be used for transferring fleets with no travel
<Messiah> time. Will this be the case?
<Spinner> Note that I said nothing about the GC being able to transfer ships out from the GDF
<Spinner> (-:
<Spinner> That answers it I belive

One of the most hotly talked about features of [[Round 2]] was the [[Galaxy Defence Fleet]] which was initially unfinished. The basic premise as you have probally guessed was that galaxy members could donate [[ships]] to this [[fleet]] and they would then be under the control of the [[GC]] to use in galactic defence. Due to the fact the the [[GC]] couldnt yet control the [[GDF]] the fleets in it were initially equally spread across all the planets in the [[Galaxy]]. While an idea that had promise the inability of the [[Creators]] to find a viable way to let the [[GC]] control the [[fleet]] resulted in it never getting beyond this basic stage and by [[round 3]] it had dissapeared for good

=== Commanders Message ===

<Messiah> What other jobs are GCs going to get?
<Spinner> The GC will be able to control the Galactic Fleet as I said
<Spinner> Nothing more has been planned there now, execept maybe he gets a special
Message of the Day thing for his Galaxy

Where would we be today if this hadnt cropped up :) It was the first real mention of a feature that would become a constant feature in the rounds to come

=== Downtime ===

<Messiah> How are things going with your line? Is that still what's causing the game to appear
to go down sometimes?
* Spinner hopes that was enough
<Spinner> Line, yes...
<Spinner> First of all, within a very short periode of time, we will get some hosting help tp
relieve our lines a bit, or upgrade our existing lines
<Spinner> This is a question of money actually....
<Spinner> Which we dont quite make enough of (-: Who does anyway (-:
<Spinner> And our budget right now does not allow us to upgrade the lines
<Spinner> But we have good hopes to earn more on advertising in the future
<Spinner> And also to get some good hosting help
<Zeus> click banners is main income @ mo
<Spinner> The first step will prolly be to put the images and the manual on a totally different
line, maybe with the boards
<Zeus> so get fingers clicking:)
<Spinner> So we will have more capacity for our game itself
<Spinner> But I promise
<Spinner> The minute we run this game with a profit
<Spinner> We WILL upgrade lines!

In these early days the demand outsripped teh supply and during busy periods the server would frequently serve up the infamous [[Burp]] error page. It was a constant struggle for the Creators to stay ahead of the demand and it wouldnt be until Round 3 when [[Barrysworld]] took over the hosting of the game that a stable and reliable PA became a true possability.
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=== P2P and Selling of PA ===

<Messiah> Is there any chance of Planetarion going commercial in the future, and charging for play?
If not, is there a planned "end" to planetarion?
<Spinner> Going commercial? I thought we had done that! (-:
<Spinner> There is no plan to charge players tfor playing PLanetarion
<Zeus> :)
<Spinner> Absolutely not
<Zeus> free, made by gamers for gamers
<Spinner> indeed
<Spinner> Thank you , Zeus for handing me word on a golden platter (-:
* Zeus hides
<Messiah> Do you think you'll ever get bored of planetarion, and sell it to some money grabbing
corporation?
<Spinner> EA slogan, isnt it?
<Spinner> Or something?
<Spinner> No
<Spinner> Selling Planetarion is not an option either...
<Spinner> We made it because we wanted to make it
<Spinner> And we want to keep making games like it
<Spinner> Because it is fun
<Spinner> We just have to learn how to do it and make a profit (-:
< Spinner> You asked for an "end"...
<Spinner> I am not sure PLanetarion will ever end..
<Spinner> Not as long as poeple play it
<Spinner> Of course, if people stop playing it, well, it sort of has ended...
<Zeus> k
<Spinner> But there will be resets

Something thats all too often hindered [[Planetarion]] has been lack or forsight and heres a prime example. Just two rounds later the [[Creators]] would announce that the game was going P2P which caused uproar amongst players who remembered comments like this. Just 4 rounds after going P2P [[Planetarion]] would then be sold off to [[Jolt]] after [[Fifth Seasons]] went bankrupt.

If theres one thing we all learn from these statements its never make bold claims, while things may look rosy now you never know what the future brings
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=== WAP and SMS ===

<Messiah> The WAP phone thing that has been mentioned, would it be possible for people without WAP
phones to make their own thing, designed for non-WAP phones.
<Spinner> WAP / PDA / SMS services
<Spinner> I am happy to announce, that we are looking at possibilites to have support for some of
these things
<Spinner> Next week actually, we will be in a meeting with a company who claims to be able to do
all the work for us to implament this, which would be the very best solution
<Spinner> So it doesnt take valuable working hours from us on the core team
<Zeus> :)
<Spinner> But no promises, we still dont know that anyone will do it
<Spinner> But rest assured, we know the wish is out there!

While the WAP feature would make an appearance in round 3 and would remain until the bot stopper made WAP access impossible the intresting part here is the SMS feature. SMS alerts were a regular request on the suggestions forum at this time as it was seen as a feature that would help those who couldnt be at a PC 24/7 as well as being a source of income for the game. However mid way through round 3 when the [[Creators]] announced they had a SMS feature ready to launch a bakclash against the idea started. Why this backlash happened no-one is too sure, perhaps they just didnt understand the implementation correctly or maybe they didnt want their advantage of WAP or 24/7 net conenction access removed, either way it scuppered the whole idea.

=== Galaxy Exiles ===

<Messiah> Are there any plans to implement the "boot" function in the galaxy, where the GC can
nominate someone to be kicked out of the galaxy?
<Spinner> Ah, yes, the booting thing
<Spinner> We decided against it the last time, as the poeple asked to share their opinions on the
boards were split indeed.
<Spinner> But
<Spinner> We see that some galaxies would definately benefit from soemthing like this, so it might
go back onto our to-do list again. But right now, I dont know

When it comes to galazies we have it easy today. If a galaxy member isnt pulling their weight or they are in a rival alliance you can exile them and hopefully get a more suitable replacement but back in Round 1 and 2 things were different. You got your random galaxy and it was upto you to ensure you got the best out of it, there was little room for rivalries and you just had to shut up and get on with working together. However as we can see here the thinking behind this was starting to be thought about and it wouldnt be long before exiling of planets was a possability.

=== Round Length ===

<Messiah> When is the reset?!?
<Spinner> The next reset!
<Spinner> ?
<Spinner> I reckon the game will run about 6 months
<Messiah> yes
<Spinner> Unless something drastic happnes
<Spinner> So 10th of july, plus 6 months..or so...

The generally view of the community is that the length of a round has always been around the 3 month mark BUT this wasnt the case. Round 1 had run from Feb 2000 until June 2000 with Round 2 lasting around the same length of time. Rounds this long however became unsubstainable later on, especially after [[P2P]] which saw them shrinking to the kind of lengths we have now
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== Creators Hour #2 ==

'''Time: '''''Round 2 - 21 Aug 2004'' '''Place: '''''#creators''

Heres a summary of some of the more intresting aspects of the second ever creators hour

=== Database Dumps ===

<Spinner> The Tahmer search page is an unauthorized bot page
<Spinner> These days, we are completeing the work on the data that Pbot will access
<Spinner> And it will be available VERY soon
<Spinner> for everyone to use
<vish> this info will be placed on a server outside planetarion so that we do not get that extra
load
<Spinner> As soon as that is ready, we do not want any loose bots out there using different data

In the early rounds if you wanted to run a site like [[Pilkara]] or [[Sandmans]] your only method of gathering the data was through a use of a Data Miner bot. The likes of [[Sn0w]] and [[Tahmer]] would create a seperate account and set their bot to login to this acocunt and parse all the galaxy pages. This data would then be stored and could then be used by their tools. The two most famous tools at the time were [[SnOws]] IRC bot [[PBOT]] and [[Tahmers]] website. The amount of bandwith these bots and others like them took to gather the data forced the [[Creators]] to start producing the database dumps that all tools today run off

=== Alliance Controls ===

<Messiah> From Kittenpurr:
<Messiah> Have you got anything planned regarding the limiting or controlling alliance size?
<Spinner> Yes, but not anything you will see in a very near future
<Spinner> But sometime in this round, something like this will be implemented
<Spinner> The actual way we are doing it is still inside my head.....
<Spinner> In very dynamic forms...
<Spinner> So I dont have detils on this yet

As always time in PA gets distorted, if they say 10 mins it means 10 hours and if they say in near future they mean in around 4 years :) This feature took until Round 10 to implement and seems alot more static than what [[Spinner]] had in mind

== Creators Hour Mid Round 3 ==

'''Time: '''''Round 3 - January 22th 2001'' '''Place: '''''#creators''

Heres a summary of some of the creators hour that took place just after [[Barrysworld]], the compnay that was hosting [[Planetarion]] had announced it was folding

=== Server Requirements ===

<Messiah> What type of server are you after? You could try the likes of Yahoo. They're always up for stuff like this and ahve ercently been buying all sort of new web-projects.
<Spinner> Ok
<Spinner> first of all, we need 7-8 machines
<Spinner> in total
<Spinner> and we use approx 10-12 Mbit / Second
<Spinner> SO it si quite a lot
<Spinner> Pherhaps Yahoo can do it
<Spinner> Thanks for the tip
<Spinner> I will check up on that as well
<Spinner> Have 16 companies to check up on nopw
<Spinner> now
<Spinner> hehe
<Spinner> And general intrest to host Planetarion is quite high!
<Spinner> (-:
<Messiah> Do you think that there is any chance you won't get a new hosting within the timelimit ? What will you in that case do ?
<Spinner> We have backup plans to cover us in this event too
<Spinner> We have not had that long to make all details clear yet
<Spinner> But we will have them all sorted out
<Spinner> We do have our old line at PA HQ
<Spinner> Which is now quite bored
<Spinner> (-:
<Spinner> But that is only 2Mbit
<Spinner> But if worst comes to worst
<Spinner> We might be able to borrow some here and there
<Spinner> Cut back on the graphics on the pages
<Spinner> And get away with maybe a total of 6Mbit
<Spinner> its doable
<Zeus> temperially, but only last resort.
<Spinner> But we hope to make this ok without cutting back on quiality
<Spinner> And it is looking good
<Spinner> If anyone feels like gving us a support
<Spinner> This would be a good time to use the mousebuttons more
<Spinner> (-:

While these server requirements may seem like overkill by todays standards at this point the game had a total of around 130k players and was growing at a steady rate. In the end the servers moved to [[Chello]] who while providing a fairly good service never quite reached the level of service that [[Barrysworld]] provided.

=== Galaxy Sizes ===

<Messiah> is it true that there will 35 ppl in a glaxery next round
<Spinner> That has not been decided
<Spinner> We have though along those lines
<Spinner> But have been seeing some potential hazards about it

Galaxies of 35 members were on the cards at this point for [[Round 4]]. With the game going to a [[Private Galaxy]] setup in [[Round 4]] that certainly would have made things intresting/ === Alliance Controls Again! ===

<Messiah> will you be bringing back the facillity to have alliance tags next to our nmaes?
<Spinner> Maybe
<Spinner> We are thinking it though
<Spinner> through
<Spinner> pros and cons really
<Spinner> But I belive, BELIVE it will be back
<Spinner> But not JUST like it was
<Spinner> In some kind of system

For the second round running the mention of better alliance controls were mentioned. A Feature which wouldnt see the light of day into [[Round 10]] === Hidden Stats and Formulas ===

<Messiah> Would you consider next round not releasing stats and equations for the ships, scanning, combat etc. Instead just give a general description of how things work and
make us have to gain experience and experiment with things?
<Spinner> IT is an intresting idea
<Spinner> But for a game with tectics and staratgy
<Spinner> it is dangerous
<Spinner> So we do not think so
<Spinner> Would be fun to try though
<Spinner> We cam try it in the beta we run

Its intresting how something that was considered dangerous at this time would pop up later. In [[Round 10]] [[Spinner]] experimented with this exact same principle when he only released the very basic Stats and Forumulas to the community. He should probally have stuck to his gut instict that he had then as It was shown to be something that didnt work in a game like this
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== Creators Hour End of Round 3 ==

'''Time: '''''Round 3 - April 2nd 2001'' '''Place: '''''#creators''

This Creators Hour happened at the very end of the round and turned into what we would now call the 'Winners Ceremony'

=== Nostalgia ===

<vish> > 2k players

Ah the good old days where you would have over 2000 players attending a creators hour

===Prizes===

<Zeus> for this round the prizes are as follows.
<Zeus> 1st Ruler Award = Dreamcast with 3games tshirt/cap. Offer to pacrew/beta
<Zeus> 2nd Ruler Award t-shirt/cap two top 5 pc game
<Zeus> 3rd Ruler Award t-shirt/cap one top 5 pc game
<Zeus> 4th & 5th Ruler Award t-shirt/cap one top 5 pc game
<Zeus> 5th - upto 10th ruler award t-shirt/cap one top 5 pc game
<Zeus> 1st Galaxy Award t-shirt/cap one top 5 pc game
<Zeus> 2nd Galaxy Award t-shirt one top 5 pc game
<Zeus> 3rd Galaxy Award t-shirt
<Zeus> Worst Roiding Galaxy Target Award = high roids less ships
<Zeus> t-shirt one top 5 pc game to GC

Back then the game used to offer some fairly good prizes for those who were successful as you can see. Winning the round would also get you an invite to be part of [[PACrew]], although its unknown how many people actually took that offer up.

===Theres a catch===

<Spinner> And, many thanks to TheSlammer for sponsoring us with prizes

The prizes were supplied by [[TheSlammer.com]] a company who would later become affectionatly known as [[TheScammer.com]] after the PS2 incident. They ran a referal scheme with [[Planetarion]] to offer players the ability to purchase half price PS2's, all you had to do was purchase the PS2 from them at the market price on upon receiveing the unit you could claim half the cost back using the supplied cashback form. However most people either didnt receive their PS2, or their cashback form and even if they received both very few got their money back. [[TheSlammer]] then pulled a dissappearing act leaving many players out of pocket. It will be no suprise to you to hear that most of the prizes for winners didnt turn up.

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Creators Hour

2005-11-08T06:08:15Z

DudaKar: /* P2P and Selling of PA */

== Creators Hour background ==

Creators Hour (Or Creators Question Time as it was orginal known) started in [[round 2]] and became an integral part of [[Planetarion]] culture. Here was your chance to get answers to questions directly from [[Spinner]], [[Vish]], [[Fudge]], [[Zeus]], [[Messiah]] and later on [[Oreo]] and [[PATeam]] as well as a place to put forward any ideas you had directly to the creators. While most of the questions and the responces were fairly unintresting it would throw up some intresting comments, ideas and future plans.

Since [[Jolt]] took over the running of the game these 'Q&A' sessions have become less frequent and the information coming out of them has become less informative.

'Creators Hour' was brought back after Round 14. One of the PA Team members poste dthe IRC log of 'that Creators Hour', but I can't seen to find the durn post. If someone else can, please edit this page to add the link...

== Creators Hour #1 ==

'''Time: '''''Round 2 - Aug 2004'' '''Place: '''''#creators''

Heres a summary of some of the more intresting aspects of the very first creators hour

=== Galaxy Defence Fleet ===

<Messiah> Next question:
<Messiah> What is your status on the GDF? When will the GC have control over it? And how much
<Messiah> control will he actually have?
<Spinner> Yes..The GDF has certainly aroused many people's intrest
<Spinner> We have ot been able to do any work on the GDF yet, as of controloling it
<Spinner> SO an exact date when this is possible, I can not give here
<Spinner> But...
<Spinner> When it is in, it will be possible for the GC to launch it out on missions, attack or
defend, as a regular fleet
<Spinner> Except it would require some kind of "GO" from either planets, or pherhaps some new
minister.....
<Spinner> So it can not be abused for the GC's own egotripping (-:
<Spinner> The launchcost will then be taken out of the Development Fund
<Spinner> If there is not enough Eonium in there...it can not launch
<Messiah> Some people are concerned that it can be used for transferring fleets with no travel
<Messiah> time. Will this be the case?
<Spinner> Note that I said nothing about the GC being able to transfer ships out from the GDF
<Spinner> (-:
<Spinner> That answers it I belive

One of the most hotly talked about features of [[Round 2]] was the [[Galaxy Defence Fleet]] which was initially unfinished. The basic premise as you have probally guessed was that galaxy members could donate [[ships]] to this [[fleet]] and they would then be under the control of the [[GC]] to use in galactic defence. Due to the fact the the [[GC]] couldnt yet control the [[GDF]] the fleets in it were initially equally spread across all the planets in the [[Galaxy]]. While an idea that had promise the inability of the [[Creators]] to find a viable way to let the [[GC]] control the [[fleet]] resulted in it never getting beyond this basic stage and by [[round 3]] it had dissapeared for good

=== Commanders Message ===

<Messiah> What other jobs are GCs going to get?
<Spinner> The GC will be able to control the Galactic Fleet as I said
<Spinner> Nothing more has been planned there now, execept maybe he gets a special
Message of the Day thing for his Galaxy

Where would we be today if this hadnt cropped up :) It was the first real mention of a feature that would become a constant feature in the rounds to come

=== Downtime ===

<Messiah> How are things going with your line? Is that still what's causing the game to appear
to go down sometimes?
* Spinner hopes that was enough
<Spinner> Line, yes...
<Spinner> First of all, within a very short periode of time, we will get some hosting help tp
relieve our lines a bit, or upgrade our existing lines
<Spinner> This is a question of money actually....
<Spinner> Which we dont quite make enough of (-: Who does anyway (-:
<Spinner> And our budget right now does not allow us to upgrade the lines
<Spinner> But we have good hopes to earn more on advertising in the future
<Spinner> And also to get some good hosting help
<Zeus> click banners is main income @ mo
<Spinner> The first step will prolly be to put the images and the manual on a totally different
line, maybe with the boards
<Zeus> so get fingers clicking:)
<Spinner> So we will have more capacity for our game itself
<Spinner> But I promise
<Spinner> The minute we run this game with a profit
<Spinner> We WILL upgrade lines!

In these early days the demand outsripped teh supply and during busy periods the server would frequently serve up the infamous [[Burp]] error page. It was a constant struggle for the Creators to stay ahead of the demand and it wouldnt be until Round 3 when [[Barrysworld]] took over the hosting of the game that a stable and reliable PA became a true possability.
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=== P2P and Selling of PA ===

<Messiah> Is there any chance of Planetarion going commercial in the future, and charging for play?
If not, is there a planned "end" to planetarion?
<Spinner> Going commercial? I thought we had done that! (-:
<Spinner> There is no plan to charge players tfor playing PLanetarion
<Zeus> :)
<Spinner> Absolutely not
<Zeus> free, made by gamers for gamers
<Spinner> indeed
<Spinner> Thank you , Zeus for handing me word on a golden platter (-:
* Zeus hides
<Messiah> Do you think you'll ever get bored of planetarion, and sell it to some money grabbing
corporation?
<Spinner> EA slogan, isnt it?
<Spinner> Or something?
<Spinner> No
<Spinner> Selling Planetarion is not an option either...
<Spinner> We made it because we wanted to make it
<Spinner> And we want to keep making games like it
<Spinner> Because it is fun
<Spinner> We just have to learn how to do it and make a profit (-:
< Spinner> You asked for an "end"...
<Spinner> I am not sure PLanetarion will ever end..
<Spinner> Not as long as poeple play it
<Spinner> Of course, if people stop playing it, well, it sort of has ended...
<Zeus> k
<Spinner> But there will be resets

Something thats all too often hindered [[Planetarion]] has been lack or forsight and heres a prime example. Just two rounds later the [[Creators]] would announce that the game was going P2P which caused uproar amongst players who remembered comments like this. Just 4 rounds after going P2P [[Planetarion]] would then be sold off to [[Jolt]] after [[Fifth Seasons]] went bankrupt.

If theres one thing we all learn from these statements its never make bold claims, while things may look rosy now you never know what the future brings
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=== WAP and SMS ===

<Messiah> The WAP phone thing that has been mentioned, would it be possible for people without WAP
phones to make their own thing, designed for non-WAP phones.
<Spinner> WAP / PDA / SMS services
<Spinner> I am happy to announce, that we are looking at possibilites to have support for some of
these things
<Spinner> Next week actually, we will be in a meeting with a company who claims to be able to do
all the work for us to implament this, which would be the very best solution
<Spinner> So it doesnt take valuable working hours from us on the core team
<Zeus> :)
<Spinner> But no promises, we still dont know that anyone will do it
<Spinner> But rest assured, we know the wish is out there!

While the WAP feature would make an appearance in round 3 and would remain until the bot stopper made WAP access impossible the intresting part here is the SMS feature. SMS alerts were a regular request on the suggestions forum at this time as it was seen as a feature that would help those who couldnt be at a PC 24/7 as well as being a source of income for the game. However mid way through round 3 when the [[Creators]] announced they had a SMS feature ready to launch a bakclash against the idea started. Why this backlash happened no-one is too sure, perhaps they just didnt understand the implementation correctly or maybe they didnt want their advantage of WAP or 24/7 net conenction access removed, either way it scuppered the whole idea.

=== Galaxy Exiles ===

<Messiah> Are there any plans to implement the "boot" function in the galaxy, where the GC can
nominate someone to be kicked out of the galaxy?
<Spinner> Ah, yes, the booting thing
<Spinner> We decided against it the last time, as the poeple asked to share their opinions on the
boards were split indeed.
<Spinner> But
<Spinner> We see that some galaxies would definately benefit from soemthing like this, so it might
go back onto our to-do list again. But right now, I dont know

When it comes to galazies we have it easy today. If a galaxy member isnt pulling their weight or they are in a rival alliance you can exile them and hopefully get a more suitable replacement but back in Round 1 and 2 things were different. You got your random galaxy and it was upto you to ensure you got the best out of it, there was little room for rivalries and you just had to shut up and get on with working together. However as we can see here the thinking behind this was starting to be thought about and it wouldnt be long before exiling of planets was a possability.

=== Round Length ===

<Messiah> When is the reset?!?
<Spinner> The next reset!
<Spinner> ?
<Spinner> I reckon the game will run about 6 months
<Messiah> yes
<Spinner> Unless something drastic happnes
<Spinner> So 10th of july, plus 6 months..or so...

The generally view of the community is that the length of a round has always been around the 3 month mark BUT this wasnt the case. Round 1 had run from Feb 2000 until June 2000 with Round 2 lasting around the same length of time. Rounds this long however became unsubstainable later on, especially after [[P2P]] which saw them shrinking to the kind of lengths we have now
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== Creators Hour #2 ==

'''Time: '''''Round 2 - 21 Aug 2004'' '''Place: '''''#creators''

Heres a summary of some of the more intresting aspects of the second ever creators hour

=== Database Dumps ===

<Spinner> The Tahmer search page is an unauthorized bot page
<Spinner> These days, we are completeing the work on the data that Pbot will access
<Spinner> And it will be available VERY soon
<Spinner> for everyone to use
<vish> this info will be placed on a server outside planetarion so that we do not get that extra
load
<Spinner> As soon as that is ready, we do not want any loose bots out there using different data

In the early rounds if you wanted to run a site like [[Pilkara]] or [[Sandmans]] your only method of gathering the data was through a use of a Data Miner bot. The likes of [[Sn0w]] and [[Tahmer]] would create a seperate account and set their bot to login to this acocunt and parse all the galaxy pages. This data would then be stored and could then be used by their tools. The two most famous tools at the time were [[SnOws]] IRC bot [[PBOT]] and [[Tahmers]] website. The amount of bandwith these bots and others like them took to gather the data forced the [[Creators]] to start producing the database dumps that all tools today run off

=== Alliance Controls ===

<Messiah> From Kittenpurr:
<Messiah> Have you got anything planned regarding the limiting or controlling alliance size?
<Spinner> Yes, but not anything you will see in a very near future
<Spinner> But sometime in this round, something like this will be implemented
<Spinner> The actual way we are doing it is still inside my head.....
<Spinner> In very dynamic forms...
<Spinner> So I dont have detils on this yet

As always time in PA gets distorted, if they say 10 mins it means 10 hours and if they say in near future they mean in around 4 years :) This feature took until Round 10 to implement and seems alot more static than what [[Spinner]] had in mind

== Creators Hour Mid Round 3 ==

'''Time: '''''Round 3 - January 22th 2001'' '''Place: '''''#creators''

Heres a summary of some of the creators hour that took place just after [[Barrysworld]], the compnay that was hosting [[Planetarion]] had announced it was folding

=== Server Requirements ===

<Messiah> What type of server are you after? You could try the likes of Yahoo. They're always up for stuff like this and ahve ercently been buying all sort of new web-projects.
<Spinner> Ok
<Spinner> first of all, we need 7-8 machines
<Spinner> in total
<Spinner> and we use approx 10-12 Mbit / Second
<Spinner> SO it si quite a lot
<Spinner> Pherhaps Yahoo can do it
<Spinner> Thanks for the tip
<Spinner> I will check up on that as well
<Spinner> Have 16 companies to check up on nopw
<Spinner> now
<Spinner> hehe
<Spinner> And general intrest to host Planetarion is quite high!
<Spinner> (-:
<Messiah> Do you think that there is any chance you won't get a new hosting within the timelimit ? What will you in that case do ?
<Spinner> We have backup plans to cover us in this event too
<Spinner> We have not had that long to make all details clear yet
<Spinner> But we will have them all sorted out
<Spinner> We do have our old line at PA HQ
<Spinner> Which is now quite bored
<Spinner> (-:
<Spinner> But that is only 2Mbit
<Spinner> But if worst comes to worst
<Spinner> We might be able to borrow some here and there
<Spinner> Cut back on the graphics on the pages
<Spinner> And get away with maybe a total of 6Mbit
<Spinner> its doable
<Zeus> temperially, but only last resort.
<Spinner> But we hope to make this ok without cutting back on quiality
<Spinner> And it is looking good
<Spinner> If anyone feels like gving us a support
<Spinner> This would be a good time to use the mousebuttons more
<Spinner> (-:

While these server requirements may seem like overkill by todays standards at this point the game had a total of around 130k players and was growing at a steady rate. In the end the servers moved to [[Chello]] who while providing a fairly good service never quite reached the level of service that [[Barrysworld]] provided.
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=== Galaxy Sizes ===

<Messiah> is it true that there will 35 ppl in a glaxery next round
<Spinner> That has not been decided
<Spinner> We have though along those lines
<Spinner> But have been seeing some potential hazards about it

Galaxies of 35 members were on the cards at this point for [[Round 4]]. With the game going to a [[Private Galaxy]] setup in [[Round 4]] that certainly would have made things intresting/

=== Alliance Controls Again! ===

<Messiah> will you be bringing back the facillity to have alliance tags next to our nmaes?
<Spinner> Maybe
<Spinner> We are thinking it though
<Spinner> through
<Spinner> pros and cons really
<Spinner> But I belive, BELIVE it will be back
<Spinner> But not JUST like it was
<Spinner> In some kind of system

For the second round running the mention of better alliance controls were mentioned. A Feature which wouldnt see the light of day into [[Round 10]]

=== Hidden Stats and Formulas ===

<Messiah> Would you consider next round not releasing stats and equations for the ships, scanning, combat etc. Instead just give a general description of how things work and
make us have to gain experience and experiment with things?
<Spinner> IT is an intresting idea
<Spinner> But for a game with tectics and staratgy
<Spinner> it is dangerous
<Spinner> So we do not think so
<Spinner> Would be fun to try though
<Spinner> We cam try it in the beta we run

Its intresting how something that was considered dangerous at this time would pop up later. In [[Round 10]] [[Spinner]] experimented with this exact same principle when he only released the very basic Stats and Forumulas to the community. He should probally have stuck to his gut instict that he had then as It was shown to be something that didnt work in a game like this

== Creators Hour End of Round 3 ==

'''Time: '''''Round 3 - April 2nd 2001'' '''Place: '''''#creators''

This Creators Hour happened at the very end of the round and turned into what we would now call the 'Winners Ceremony'

=== Nostalgia ===

<vish> > 2k players

Ah the good old days where you would have over 2000 players attending a creators hour

===Prizes===

<Zeus> for this round the prizes are as follows.
<Zeus> 1st Ruler Award = Dreamcast with 3games tshirt/cap. Offer to pacrew/beta
<Zeus> 2nd Ruler Award t-shirt/cap two top 5 pc game
<Zeus> 3rd Ruler Award t-shirt/cap one top 5 pc game
<Zeus> 4th & 5th Ruler Award t-shirt/cap one top 5 pc game
<Zeus> 5th - upto 10th ruler award t-shirt/cap one top 5 pc game
<Zeus> 1st Galaxy Award t-shirt/cap one top 5 pc game
<Zeus> 2nd Galaxy Award t-shirt one top 5 pc game
<Zeus> 3rd Galaxy Award t-shirt
<Zeus> Worst Roiding Galaxy Target Award = high roids less ships
<Zeus> t-shirt one top 5 pc game to GC

Back then the game used to offer some fairly good prizes for those who were successful as you can see. Winning the round would also get you an invite to be part of [[PACrew]], although its unknown how many people actually took that offer up.

===Theres a catch===

<Spinner> And, many thanks to TheSlammer for sponsoring us with prizes

The prizes were supplied by [[TheSlammer.com]] a company who would later become affectionatly known as [[TheScammer.com]] after the PS2 incident. They ran a referal scheme with [[Planetarion]] to offer players the ability to purchase half price PS2's, all you had to do was purchase the PS2 from them at the market price on upon receiveing the unit you could claim half the cost back using the supplied cashback form. However most people either didnt receive their PS2, or their cashback form and even if they received both very few got their money back. [[TheSlammer]] then pulled a dissappearing act leaving many players out of pocket. It will be no suprise to you to hear that most of the prizes for winners didnt turn up.

[[Category:Terminology]]

5th Element

2005-11-08T05:58:53Z

DudaKar: /* Round 15 */

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<tr><td bgcolor="lightblue" style="padding-right:10px;" valign="top">

*'''Full Name''': Fifth Element
*'''Short Name''': xVx
*'''Public IRC Channel''': #5thelement
*'''Homepage''': http://www.5th-element.org
*'''Alliance motto''': None
*'''Affectionate nickname''': None
*'''5th Element HC''': [[Night-Sky]], [[Uthor]], [[BlueDemon]] and [[Marka]]
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==The Creation of xVx==
'''xVx''' was formed by a small core of [[VisioN]] command and members after that alliance disbanded between Round 13 and Round 14.
Consequentially '''xVx''' came to existance close before Round 14 was starting.

'''xVx''' is the abbreviation for Fifth Element - in the meaning of the element combining the ancient elements earth, fire, air and water. Aristotle named this fifth - superior - element spirit.

==Rounds==
===Round 14===
This round for us was supposed to be a tryout round. Our target was to build a solid memberbase for the upcoming rounds which did involve a lot of tryout in both command and members. Starting with 35 members into the round we did a lot of recruitment - overall appx. 120 players have been in our rows throughout the round - 78 finished it.

In the final rankings we finished at position 5 - which was far beyond our expectations. Partially supported by numerous alliances disbanding/merging but mainly because we were able to put a decent fight till the end, outgrowing the averages of several alliances within the last 2 weeks.

On the political side we remained without any naps or allies throughout the round.

===Round 15===
Has not started yet ... '''xVx''' will play and the plan is to surpass the Round 14 performance.

[[Category:Alliances]] [[Category:Alliances:Round 14]]
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New Player Manual

2005-11-08T05:48:54Z

DudaKar: /* Mining */

== Introduction ==

Little experience in [[Planetarion]]? You've come to the right place.

Browse around before the beginning of the round to gain an advantage about the inner workings of the game.

=== A Relaxing Browser Game For The Whole Family ===

In [[Planetarion]] you compete with thousands of other players over a 2 month period of non-stop gaming. Activity, skill, endurance and a solid [[alliance]] are the building blocks of a winner in this game. Use of [[IRC]], while not a required to play the game, is necessary to communicate between other players and to succeed in the game.

At the beginning you construct [[structures]] and initiate [[asteroids]] that orbit your planet to gain resources. With these [[resource|resources]] you are able to construct 6 different [[Ship_Class|classes of ship]]. Two classes are capable of [[Pods|stealing asteroids]] from enemy planets while another is capable of bombarding enemy planets ruthlessly destroying their [[structure]]s.
There are 4 [[race]]s to choose from each equipped with 12 unique ships.

Planets are ranked by their [[score]]. The planet with the highest score wins the game.

Each planet (including your own!) is grouped into [[galaxy|galaxies]]. Planetarion is a turn-based game with turns being called a [[tick]] (a 1 hour period). In speed rounds ticks vary between 1-5 minutes.

Rounds are generally announced 2-3 weeks before the ticks (turns) start. Around this time signups are opened allowing everyone to register their very own planet. When the game starts, everyone is placed in [[Protection|protection mode]] and temporarily grouped into large galaxies. At tick 36, planets are "[[shuffle|shuffled]]" and placed into their true starting galaxy using a highly intelligent AI. If your planet is unpaid you are placed randomly otherwise you can form [[buddy pack]]s with friends, which can contain up to 5 people.

=== The First 72 Hours: Under Protection ===

During the first 72 [[tick]]s of the game your planet is under [[protection]]. During this time, get used to the game, and as often as possible visit the mining page to initiate asteroids, the research page to start new researches and the construction page to start new constructions.

It is recommended to have some ships built by [[tick]] 82, as that is when the first attacks will be able to reach your planet. In the beginning of the game it is nearly impossible to stop attacks on your planet. As such, it is preferable to build mainly [[Pods#Astropod|pods]] and send them out to attack others.

== Race: Killing, Freezing or Stealing? ==

An all-round impacting choice is your race: [[Race|Terran]], [[Race|Cathaar]], [[Race|Xandathrii]] or [[Race|Zikonian]]. [[Race|Terran]] is suggested as the starting race, as the ships have high armour and so are harder to kill.
Read about the races in the [[Round_14#Guides| Race Guides]].

== Planet: x,y,z ==

=== Engineering ===

A good starting setup is [[Research]] (1st), [[Mining]] (2nd) and [[Construction]] (3rd). Make sure you set your Engineering Priorities '''before''' starting a Research or Construction.

=== Research ===

The undisputed first choice for research is [[Improved Resource Handling]], so please click the ''initate'' button next to this research.

This technology branch allows you to mine more of the [[asteroids]] than you have collected around your planet. This is because you can "initate" as many asteroids as you wish, but you can only recieve resources from those you are able to, depending on your resource handling ability. All of the more experienced players spend the first 60 or so [[tick]]s initiating asteroids in the Mining screen, but shortly after protection ends it is far more cost-effective to attack other players to gain roids (this also gets you [[XP]] - see [[combat]] for more information).

Just a quick note about the number of ticks beside the Research and the Construction items below. Those numbers represent the 'base' amount of time it will take to complete this research, however your Race, your Engineering Setup and the number of Research Labs you have ''will'' significantly reduce this time - indeed you should be able to fit the Infrastructure Upgrade research before protection is over, and perhaps HCT 3 as well.

'''Starting Research'''
# Improved Resource Handling - 16 Ticks to complete
# Heavy Cargo Transfers II - 24
# Fighter Class Hulls - 24
# Jumpgate - 16
# ''**End of Protection**''
# Infrastructure Upgrade - 16
# Heavy Cargo Transfers III - 24
# Warpgate - 32
# Advanced Core Extraction - 24
# Frigate Class Hulls
# Heavy Cargo Transfers IV - 48
Then, about this time you'll need to try and get as much Scan technology as you can whilst keeping up with your roids (at least until Unit scans)

The things to research least if you are a free account are the [[Waves|scans]] and [[Covert_Operations|covert ops]], as they're heavily limited and there's nothing worthwhile available until you upgrade.

=== Construction ===

The most beneficial construction to start with is the [[Research lab]]. This increases your research speed by up to 20% (when 1 in 5 or more of your constructions are [[research lab]]s). To build ships you need a factory and the appropriate research.

'''Starting Constructions'''
# Research Lab - 12 ticks
# Refinery - 12 (the number of which Refinery depends on your race. If you are Terran, focus on Metal Refineries as your ships cost alot of Metal. Cathaar = Crystal and Zikonian = Eonium. Eonium is no longer fuel, but is as important as Metal and Crystal - so keep it in mind ).
# Refinery - 12
# Refinery - 12
# Light Factory - 12
# Research Lab - 12
# ''**End of Protection**''
# Refinery - 12
# Refinery - 12
# Amplifier - 12
# Refinery - 12
# Research Lab - 12
# Medium Factory - 12

=== Mining ===

Mining is one of the important screens (together with research and construction) at the beginning of the round.

When you first sign up, you have 5000 of each resource. This is enough to buy 3 of each type of asteroid in the "Mining" screen. Paid accounts have 10000 of each resource, and so can afford 6 of each roid type.

To initiate asteroids, put the numbers in the corresponding boxes beside the three different resource types and click ''initiate''.

'''Note:''' You want to be the biggest planet you can be. You initiate asteroids at the beginning of the game as that's the most cost effective way of gaining asteroids, and you need asteroids to give you more resources. However, after 100-150 initiated asteroids of a specific resource the most cost effective way to gain more is by building ships that can steal asteroids and attacking other planets (you also gain [[XP]] for doing this, which adds to your planets [[score]]). Therefore, while you use this page a lot in the first 5-10 days, afterwards you won't need it much unless exchanging resources with others.
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== Galaxy: x,y ==

A [[galaxy]] allows its own planets to launch ships to defend each other with a low [[ETA]]. In the galaxy status you can see details on friendly and hostile fleet movement (only paid accounts see outgoing fleets).

=== Galaxy Politics ===

Each planet can vote for a player they want to be the overall leader of the galaxy called the [[Galactic Commander]]. When a player has the most votes, he or she is automatically appointed the role of GC. The galaxy screen shows the current galaxy staff setup.

==== Minister Of Development (yellow) ====

The MoD is responsible for the Galaxy Fund. He can donate funds to the smallest planets in the galaxy (the planets with the lowest score). He can also regulate trade within the fund: at any time the MoD can choose to forbid or allow trade of one or more (or even all!) types of resources.

==== Minister of Communication (light blue) ====

The MoC is the spokesperson for a galaxy: he can send message to all other MoCs in a certain Cluster, or to all members within the Galaxy itself. Another task of the MoC is to keep the Galaxy Forums tidy.

==== Minister of War (red) ====

The Minister of war is responsible for arranging attacks and defences in a galaxy. He's generally the one, together with the Minister of Communication, that organises contact information on the forums and overview for defence. He may often also look for galaxies for his own galaxy to attack.

'''Note:'''
Not all galaxies follow these ideas. Some planets play with friends and alliances as much or more than their own galaxy mates (especially for attacking). Therefore it's a good idea to also have an alliance.

The bottom line for defence and organisation is your galaxy, and generally "galaxy mates" know each other quite well by the end of the round. Communication is essential, which is why many galaxies use a form of communication such as [[IRC]] where they have their own private channel to discuss and organise galaxy issues. Mobile phones are often also used in emergencies, such as when the galaxy is being heavily attacked (although giving your mobile phone out is always optional).

It's generally up to the galaxy how much they play for fun and how active they are, as in any galaxy there's some people on 18 hours a day and some only 2-4 hours. As there's only a limited amount of people in a galaxy, some of the more serious players are determined to get active players, but even the smaller less active galaxies often have a certain amount of fun.

== Alliance: 1st line of support ==

Beside galaxies, your main line of defence is [[alliance|alliances]]. Alliances are groups of players that agree to defend and perform coordinated attacks together.

=== Are Alliances Made Of Green Men And Cheese? ===

Alliances have several ranks within them.

The [[High Commander]]s are in charge of the alliance. There's no set limit for how many people are in this most powerful position, but generally there's between 3 and 5 who are in ultimate authority.

[[Officer]]s sort out the alliance attacks and defences, and are often responsible (together with some of the HCs) for the technical responsibility of the alliance. Some are in charge of intelligence, internal and external affairs, and even "scanners" - those devoted to scanning for the alliance.

Normal members (aka. pe0ns) help with duties within the alliance, but mostly are required to be as active as possible and participate in alliance attacks and defences. Some alliances give points for attacking and defending, so they can keep track of how helpful alliance members are. Alliances generally are organised on IRC and often have their own forums and/or IRC servers to increase privacy and communication ability. Some alliances have a "minimum IRC activity time" together or instead of a points system - inactive players don't pull their weight in the long term and so often require a lot more defence than they give. At the beginning of the round, many alliances would prefer players with less experience but that are online 8 or more hours a day than experienced players that won't be on more than 2 hours a day.

=== How Do I Get An Alliance? ===

Most alliances require [[IRC|IRC]] activity. The established alliances require vouches (people already in the alliance knowing you and saying you're a good player), but many just interview and require a minimum activity time. A list of all the Round 14 alliances playing can be found on the [[:Category:Alliances:Round_14|Round14 alliances page]]. New players should look in the [http://pirate.planetarion.com/forumdisplay.php?f=37 Alliance Recruitment Forum].

== Combat ==

This is a space war game in which [[combat]] is an important part.

=== Ships, Classes and Targets ===

Ship from different [[Ship_Class|classes]] can be categorized into their respective [[Ship_Type|primary functionalities]].

=== Inititative ===

[[Initiative]] defines the order that ships fire in battle. Generally, [[Race|Cathaar]] EMP ships fire first, then [[Race|Xandathrii]] ships, then [[Race|Terran]] and [[Race|Zikonian]] kill ships and [[Race|Cathaar]] kill ships, and then the astropods, and then steal ships, and then structure killers.

=== Arm/Cost and Dam/Cost explained ===

In the [http://game.planetarion.com/stats.pl?page=33 ship statistics] these are, in some ways, more important than the armour, damage and cost columns themselves. They summarize these columns by saying, per cost, how much armour or damage the ship does. This means you can quickly compare ships no matter their different costs. looking at Terran, you can see their "Arm/Cost" column is much bigger than the other races. [[Race|Cathaar]] and [[Race|Xandathrii]] have bigger "Dam/Cost" columns, but keep in mind that 6 of the [[Race|Cathaar]] ships only stun their opponents (the ships that are listed as EMP).

==== Attacking ====

Look around for targets you can handle, unit scan, produce a [[battle calculation]] and attack. Remember to send enough [[pods]] to capture 25% of the targets [[asteroid|roid]]s, which have an armour of 50. Get a News scan at [[ETA]] 1 or a Jump Gate Proble scan between [[ETA]]1-4 to be aware of any defence the planet might have obtained. It is advisable to watch your targets resource spending during the attack not to be caught unaware of ships coming out of production. The [http://pirate.planetarion.com/showthread.php?t=185199 How to Attack] thread on the [Strategy] Forum outlines a procedure for attacking, however it does include some more advanced [[:Category:Terminology|Terminology]] so it may be initially confusing, however it is still a good viable guide. Furthermore, a description of the various [[Fleet Strategy]] is also available - it outlines common names for the various tactics involved, provides an example, and identifies counter-strategy too. Again, it uses complex [[:Category:Terminology|Terminology]] and so it is something to work towards :).

==== Defending ====

When under attack several planets will receive defense from their alliance. However, those without an [[alliance]] have to rely on the planets within their galaxy (or a buddy within the cluster) to receive defence. In-galaxy defence is usually coordinated within the galaxy's [[IRC]] channel.

If you have just started out, you will likely be uncovered, meaning you do not have enough ships in defensive to stop the attacker from taking a share of your roids.

Sending random ships for defence is counter-productive as ships target a certain [[ship class]]. Unit scanning the attacker and producing a [[battle calculation]] based on an estimation of what the attacker sent should always be done before any defence is done.

== Troubleshooting ==

=== Can't Login? ===

* Check that computer time is set correctly
* Clear cookies, cache and restart browser.
* Gamepage does not load, while others do? Restart internet connection or your computer.

=== Exceptions ===

If you play from the same place as someone else in your family, it is strongly recommended you apply for an [[exception]].

Loging in from different url's :

http://p45.planetarion.com/

http://round15.planetarion.com/

http://struggleforsupremacy.planetarion.com/

== Further Help ==

[[Sovereign]], a Planetarion [[Strategy|Strategy Forum]] [[Moderator]] is able and very willing to help players who are new, uncertain on where to go or what to do next, or to provide advice and assistance on a whole range of topics in Planetarion. The [[HashStrategy|#Strategy]] Channel on the Netgamers [[IRC]] Network (see [[Connecting To IRC]]) is ideal to drop by, or you can make a post on the [[Strategy|Strategy Forum]] for a more in-depth answer. [[Sovereign]] also maintains other Planetarion Resources, some of which can be found in the [http://pirate.planetarion.com/showthread.php?t=169297 Useful Links] (Help Guides section) thread on the [[Strategy|Strategy Forum]].

[[Category:Strategy]]

Planetarion Wiki:Votes

2005-11-08T05:48:29Z

DudaKar:

Votes will only be accepted from registered users, so make sure you are logged in. Please sign your votes with <nowiki>-~~~~~</nowiki>. Please also refrain from editing this text or any other people's votes. Editing other people's votes to reflect different standpoints will void your own vote.
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'''THIS IS AN EXAMPLE VOTE'''

I quite like option X. It reflects positively on the wiki and keeps with the open style. <nowiki>-~~~~</nowiki>

'''END EXAMPLE VOTE'''

== What Logo? ==
''With only one vote registered the people have spoken. I'm going to leave this vote open, if there's a major swing for another [[PAWiki:logo|logo]] we'll change.''

Place votes for and against changing from MAd's [[PAWiki:Logo|logo]] to the logo cheerios submitted here. Voting will be open until Tuesday midnight.

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cheerios logo is clean and nice, he got my vote. -[[User:Alch|Alch]] 20:26, 10 Jan 2005 (GMT)

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== Which English? ==
British English, American English or whatever catches your fancy? Cast your votes:

Is it possible to make a text site illegible? ~
[[User:Callan|Callan]] 23:35, 6 Feb 2005 (PST)

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Anything goes. Reason: I cba to go around fixing other people's correct spelling. -[[User:Banned|Banned]] 19:25, 10 Jan 2005 (GMT)

British English imo -[[User:DukePaul|Dukie]] 19:26, 10 Jan 2005 (GMT)

British English since the language was, afterall, British to begin with. -[[User:Kloopy]] 11:52, 11 Jan 2005 (GMT)

British English preferably, but as long as it's legible I'm not concerned. --[[User:Djbass|Djbass]] 15:21, 30 Jan 2005 (GMT)

== Alliance pages or Alliance categories? ==

'''Vote closed - Alliance pages will have categories, but seperate pages for their primary article'''

[[User:Idimmu]] has suggested that we move all alliance pages to their corresponding Category pages and leave redirects in the original page (so that [[BlueTuba]] just redirects to [[:Category:BlueTuba]] and the content is there).

[[User:Banned]] would prefer that the alliance categories are made, but that the alliance articles remain in their current place. Voting will remain open until Tuesday 18/01/05 midnight.

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I think that keeping with the correct information systemizing and logical distribution of information is preferable to putting all information on one page. -[[User:Banned|Banned]] 18:31, 16 Jan 2005 (GMT)

I think it should stay as it is. [[User:Legator|Legator]]

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Round 13

2005-11-08T05:39:52Z

DudaKar: /* Longest Golden Roid Hold Time */

==Round Demographics==

Tick start 30th March 21:00 GMT.<br>
[[Shuffle]] 1st April 09:00 GMT.

The round ended on the 8th of June 2005 with the last [[tick]] at 21:00 GMT as planned. Havoc began on the 9th of June, and '[[Round_13:Information#Stage_2_-_CTF_Havoc|Capture the Flag]]' havoc began on the 10th.

The below contenders graphs have been taken on the 5th of June.

=== #1 alliance contenders ===
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=== #1 planet contenders ===
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=== #1 galaxy contenders ===
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==Events==

Round13's top planets were not decided alone on their aggressiveness, activity and cunning, but also in their ability to reap huge rewards by stealing ships. One of the battles that kept Keizari and figar on their toes was the attack on [[Round_13:battles|15:8:11]], which boosted them both ~4M in score. Being on the defensive in the final lemming runs was crucial for securing a top planet.

=== Lokken's R13 Logbook ===

Lokken kept a 'diary' of R13, which can be read in [[Round_13:Lokkens Logbook]].

=== Winner's Ceremony ===

A log of the end of round [[Round_13:Winner_Ceremony_Round_13|Winner's Ceremony]].

==Final Rankings==

=== As Seen On Sandmans ===

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===Top Galaxy===

*[[Grim]] 1:2:1
*[[Mistwraith]] 1:2:2
*[[Tyroka]] 1:2:3
*[[SeqZ]] 1:2:4
*[HR]Chaos 1:2:5
*[[BGLame]] 1:2:6
*[[Dauthi]] 1:2:7
*{eZZa} 1:2:8
*[[TumNarDok]] 1:2:9
*[[Arbac]] 1:2:10
*[[Shockey]] 1:2:11
*[[cbk]] 1:2:12
*[[mazzelaar]] 1:2:13
*[[Pooley]] 1:2:14
*[[Tis]] 1:2:15
*[[YaegeR]] 1:2:16
*[[Haer]] 1:2:17
*[[Rasta]] 1:2:18
*[[Artur]] 1:2:19
*[[Pattyy]] 1:2:20
*[[Ziw]] 1:2:21
*[[august]] 1:2:22

===Top Planet & Top 100 Planet Rankings===

[[Keizari]] (7:1:13)

A complete [[Round_13:Planet_Ranks|top 100 planetary ranks]] listing.

===Top Alliance===

[[eXilition]]

===Longest [[Golden Roid]] Hold Time===

[[Syrun]] (12:1:13) held the construction roid for 1125 ticks.

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==Information==

=== Changes From R12 ===

Here is a list of [[Round_13:Changes|changes]] since R12.

=== Announcements ===

Various [[Round_13:Information|announcements]] posted by Kal.

Round 5

2005-11-08T05:38:53Z

DudaKar:

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== Overview ==

*[[:Category:Alliances:Round 5|Alliances]]
*[[Round 5:Ship Stats|Ship Stats]]
*[[Round 5:Galaxy Ranks]]
*[[Round 5:Planet Ranks]]

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SO far, we have had galaxy fuinds overflow, negative scores, the end of an official round, been hacked, been DoS-attacked (abot 1000 machines out there attacking us), me and my wife had an aniversary, still not gotten paid and Vish has been ill all week......
<strong>How the heck was your week? (-:</strong> -- Spinner (September 09, 2001)
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Round 5 is notable as the first round that was pay-to-play. As such, it saw a dramatic cut in planet numbers, from around 200,000 to about 20,000. This number fell even further in subsequent rounds.

The round began as a contest between [[nocex]] and [[WTFLE]], but nocex was defeated in record time, leaving the remaining five alliances with little to do. [[BlueTuba]] folded, while [[Fury]] and [[Legion]] cross-roided eachother's allies (Fury hitting [[Elysium]] and Legion hitting [[Wolfpack]]). Round 5 was considered by many to be a weak round.

== Round5 history ==

The oppositions were clear from the beginning: [[NoCex]] & [[GMT]] vs [[WTF]] & [[VE]]. On the paper it looked like a setup for a nice round. Pitifully it did not work out that way. Almost all Coordinates of NoCex/GMT were made public, all participating Alliances tagged [NP]. After a few days it became obvious that the war was lost for them, their galaxies dropped in score and size and out of the ranking list, the cooperation between those alliances first crumbled and then was destroyed totally. The war was lost pretty fast. The reasons for this were the member coordinate lists being made public, boredom grew and some ToT members found something was lacking. Fury and Legion tried to revive the suspense by declaring wars. [[Fury]] against [[Elysium]], Legion against Ni! and WPO, but i doubt that this was of any use.

Round 5 was a very succesful round for [[ToT]]. Because we tagged ToT immediately after NP tagged, we became well known in the universe. Some members feared that this early tagging would get us additional incomings, but their fears amounted to nothing. In fact almost all ToT galaxies were in top 250 at end of round 5, some members achieved Top 100 spots in players rankings. The tot High Command is very proud with that result and our members. We are looking forward to top that in round 6. We have maintained our old alliances and also formed new alliances for that purpose which will be valid in round 6.
''--[ToT][[Marduk]]''

== Information ==

Problems delayed the signups and beginning of R5 in general.
* Forum thread: [[Round_5:Sigh | Sigh, and more was to come!!!]]
* Forum thread: [[Round_5:Signup_Delayed]]

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Category:Battle Groups

2005-11-08T05:33:33Z

DudaKar:

A listing of known [[Battle Group]]s.

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Round 3

2005-11-08T05:32:16Z

DudaKar:

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*[[:Category:Alliances:Round 3|Alliances]]
*[[Round 3:Ship Stats|Ship Stats]]
*[[Round 3:Tech Tree|Tech Tree]]
*[[Round 3:Galaxy Ranks|Galaxy Rankings]]
*[[Round_3:Planet_Ranks| Top 200 Planet Rankings]]
Legion and Fury dominated this round and, as a result, the two sat rather idly.

===Spinner describing changes since R2 ===

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Well to be totally honest not a huge amount, but it has been made somewhat more polished than it was before. Gone are the useless GDF (Galactic Defence Force), and the not so useless MOD (Minister of Development). You can no longer see if people in other galaxies are logged in or not. Travel times have been tweaked again and are now a mixture of first round and second round travel times. We now have swanky new graphics, Planetarion is hosted on a new server and we also have a couple of other small tweaks to the game that are generally speaking nice touches.
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GC and MOC have the same abilities as before, and now that the out of cluster travel time increase has been put back in the MOC's are going to be invaluable in helping the Cluster stand together as one.

With the loss of the MOD everyone in the galaxy now has the ability to donate resources to each other. This is a excellent idea no longer do we have to wait for the MOD to come online to action our trades, and we know for a fact that the resources we send are going where we want then to, not being embezzled by a crafty MOD.

You can no longer see if people in other galaxies are logged in or not. This is also a great idea and really makes you think about your attacks now instead of waiting till somebody logs off and gang banging them. Of course I'm sure you could still work out their playing patterns with a series of news scans to see when they launch their fleets, and then try and guess when they are offline. Another option is to try and bribe a member of the galaxy you want to attack and get them to give you information of people who are logged in, and when they log in but beware, they could always betray you. All in all the removal of the logged in indicator makes it much harder to plan a successful sneak attack, and in my opinion adds greatly to the tactical aspect of the game.

[[Planetarion]] has also had a bit of a face-lift in the graphics department. It now has all new swanky pictures, and curved ergonomic buttons for you to click away at if you wish to look at your news or mail. Another nice touch is the ability for your MOC or GC to set a galactic message that will show up on your overview screen so that you can send a message to those people that don't think to check the politics board.

The resources screen has also been tweaked and is now a mixture between the round 1 and round 2 screens. You can still choose what sort of asteroid to initiate, and now you can initiate more than 1 at a time, but the costs for aseroids have increased and are currently at the same sort of level as they were at in round 1.

Finally you can now see your galaxies score on your galaxy screen just after the name of your galaxy. This is a nice touch it gives you and idea of how well your galaxy is doing compared to the rest in the top 100.

====Combat====

The ships have been tweaked and I have heard quite a lot of people complaining that they cannot defend against Astropods now, and there have been shouts that the game has become imbalanced. From my experience there are no problems with game balance in this round, and if you have built the correct sort of ships to defend against Astropods you will have no problems at all.

[[Thieves and Pirates]] have been removed for this round and I have to say I think it was the correct thing to do, the game has much better balance and you now have to work for your score by pulling off successful attacks instead of building tons of thieves and going fleet hunting. The only problem with the removal of these ships is that there is now no real incentive to help people defend their planet. Before you had the promise of some nice fleet to capture, as a reward for your good deed, now there is nothing. Something I think that the creators should implement is a Salvage Ship. This ship could act like a Cargo Ship by collecting resources from the destroyed ships at the end of each battle tick with a limit of say 500 units of resources as opposed to the cargo ships 1000. You could then have every ship that is destroyed leave say 1% of its construction value in available salvage for your salvage ships to collect. This could well give something back to all those defenders out there without hugely unbalancing the game like the Thieves and Pirates did. 1% does not sound like a lot of resources for the ships to drop but put in perspective every interceptor destroyed would leave 10 metal, and you will normally lose quite a few of those in a fair sized battle.

'''Travel times''' have been tweaked again and this round it takes you longer to travel outside of your cluster, as well as taking longer to travel outside of your galaxy. This again is a good decision in my opinion, you have now solved a lot of the problems with huge cluster spanning alliance because people simply cannot get there in time to defend each other as well as they can defend people within their own cluster, making the large alliance less desireable and the cluster alliance a much better looking alternative. With the new travel times Cluster alliances are going to be the big powers once again and I think the most organised cluster will be have almost all the people in the top10 by the end of this round, but we shall have to wait and see if I am right.

All in all Planetarion is at the stage I thought it would be after the first round. We basically have a slightly tweaked 1st round Planetarion with a more stable server and the ability to communicate with people that you have always wanted. Unfortunatly the server does still have problems, it seems to not let people log in all the time, a problem which the creators are working hard to fix, on the plus side though the ticker seems to be going strong this round. Overall I am very impressed with this round its simple effective, and is going to be great fun.

Source: [http://www.ukgamer.com/ UKGamer] Interview

=== Information ===

End of round [[Round_3:End|announced]] by Spinner on the R3 portal then called PlanetZone. Zeus also posted a very detailed [[Round_3:Official_Announcement|announcement]] on the servers, state of Planetarion, popups and the whole kitchen sink.
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